Arctic sea ice up 60 percent in 2013

                        2012                                                                2013                 
 
About a million more square miles of ocean are covered in ice in 2013 than in 2012, a whopping 60 percent increase -- and a dramatic deviation from predictions of an "ice-free Arctic in 2013," the Daily Mail noted

Arctic sea ice averaged 2.35 million square miles in August 2013, as compared to the low point of 1.32 million square miles recorded on Sept. 16, 2012, according to the National Snow and Ice Data Center. A chart published Sept. 8 by NSIDC shows the dramatic rise this year, putting total ice cover within two standard deviations of the 30-year average.
 
Noting the year over year surge, one scientist even argued that "global cooling" was here.
"We are already in a cooling trend, which I think will continue for the next 15 years at least. There is no doubt the warming of the 1980s and 1990s has stopped,” Anastasios Tsonis of the University of Wisconsin told London’s Mail on Sunday.

Meanwhile, global surface temperatures have been relatively flat over the past decade and a half, according to data from the U.K.’s weather-watching Met Office.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/science/2013/09/09/arctic-sea-ice-up-60-percent-in-2013/#ixzz2eR2EoIvn

Dennis324 wrote:

                        2012                                                                2013                 
 
About a million more square miles of ocean are covered in ice in 2013 than in 2012, a whopping 60 percent increase -- and a dramatic deviation from predictions of an "ice-free Arctic in 2013," the Daily Mail noted

Arctic sea ice averaged 2.35 million square miles in August 2013, as compared to the low point of 1.32 million square miles recorded on Sept. 16, 2012, according to the National Snow and Ice Data Center. A chart published Sept. 8 by NSIDC shows the dramatic rise this year, putting total ice cover within two standard deviations of the 30-year average.
 
Noting the year over year surge, one scientist even argued that "global cooling" was here.
"We are already in a cooling trend, which I think will continue for the next 15 years at least. There is no doubt the warming of the 1980s and 1990s has stopped,” Anastasios Tsonis of the University of Wisconsin told London’s Mail on Sunday.

Meanwhile, global surface temperatures have been relatively flat over the past decade and a half, according to data from the U.K.’s weather-watching Met Office.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/science/2013/09/09/arctic-sea-ice-up-60-percent-in-2013/#ixzz2eR2EoIvn

I told you guys that these things happen over and over.  Its Climate change, not Global Warming.  And this has happened for billions of years.
 

Dennis324 wrote:I know it doesn't fit the global warming fans agenda, but I think that 1st and 2nd picture looks interesting.

The Roman civilization arose when the earth was much warmer than it's been recently.  And it's no coincidence that just as the earth was entering the 400-year-long "Little Ice Age," the Roman Empire was overrun by the Huns.  The Egyptians also built the pyramids when it was much warmer than today, and the beginning of the industrial revolution coincided with the end of the Little Ice Age.  If global warming is such a problem, doesn't it seem odd that mankind has always flourished during the earth's warmest periods?




And if increases in atmospheric CO₂ are the primary cause of warming, why, from the 1940's through the mid 1970's, was the earth cooling when increases in our use of fossil fuels were at their greatest?

And why is it that Mars and Jupiter, and Neptune's moon Titan, have all followed the exact same warming and cooling cycles as the earth during the 20^th century?  Does anyone think that our SUVs and power plants are causing the same climate change on other planets and moons in our solar system, or is it more likely that the changes there were caused by the fact that we're all in the same solar system?  I.e., "It's the sun, stupid!"



Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/07/the_global_warming_hoax_how_soon_we_forget.html#ixzz2eYne5Xdv

A leaked report by a United Nations’ group dedicated to climate studies says that heat from the sun may play a larger role than previously thought.


“[Results] do suggest the possibility of a much larger impact of solar variations on the stratosphere than previously thought, and some studies have suggested that this may lead to significant regional impacts on climate,” reads a draft copy of a major,
upcoming report from the U.N.’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC).


The man who leaked the report, StopGreenSuicide blogger Alec Rawls, told FoxNews.com that the U.N.’s statements on solar activity were his main motivation for leaking the document.

An estimate from NASA said that solar variations caused 25 percent of the 1.1 degree Fahrenheit warming that has been observed over the past century.

Solar Activity Affects Earth's Climate In Surprisingly Complex Ways, Scientists Say
 
By: Charles Q. Choi
Published: 01/17/2013 07:56 AM EST on SPACE.com

Even small changes in solar activity can impact Earth's climate in significant and surprisingly complex ways, researchers say.
 
When researchers look at sea surface temperature data during sunspot peak years, the tropical Pacific showed a pattern very much like that expected with La Niña, a cyclical cooling of the Pacific Ocean that regularly affects climate worldwide, with sunspot peak years leading to a cooling of almost 1 degree Celsius (1.8 degrees Fahrenheit) in the equatorial eastern Pacific. In addition, peaks in the sunspot cycle were linked with increased precipitation in a number of areas across the globe, as well as above-normal sea-level pressure in the mid-latitude North and South Pacific.
 
"The Pacific is particularly sensitive to small variations in the trade winds," Meehl said. Solar activity may influence processes linked with trade wind strength.  Link

Bryant wrote:

Dennis324 wrote:I know it doesn't fit the global warming fans agenda, but I think that 1st and 2nd picture looks interesting.

I think the Guardian article I linked offers a good explanation for the differences in ice pack.  You can see the same trend in the measured mean annual temperature plots as well.

 Both articles claimed that Arctic sea ice extent grew 60 percent in August 2013 as compared to August 2012.  While this factoid may be technically true (though the 60 percent figure appears to be an exaggeration), it's also largely irrelevant.

The increase in global temperatures since the late 19th century just reflects the end of the Little Ice Age.  The global temperature trends since then have followed not rising CO2 trends but the ocean temperature cycles of the Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO) and the Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation (AMO). Every 20 to 30 years, the much colder water near the bottom of the oceans cycles up to the top, where it has a slight cooling effect on global temperatures until the sun warms that water. That warmed water then contributes to slightly warmer global temperatures, until the next churning cycle.
 
The 20 to 30 year ocean temperature cycles turned back to warm from the late 1970s until the late 1990s, which is the primary reason that global temperatures warmed during this period. But that warming ended 15 years ago, and global temperatures have stopped increasing since then, if not actually cooled, even though global CO2 emissions have soared over this period.
 
As The Economist magazine reported in March, “The world added roughly 100 billion tons of carbon to the atmosphere between 2000 and 2010. That is about a quarter of all the CO2 put there by humanity since 1750.” Yet, still no warming during that time. That is because the CO2 greenhouse effect is weak and marginal compared to natural causes of global temperature changes.  Link

Dennis324 wrote:
Here's a little chart of my own.  It shows the rise and fall in temperatures throughout history based on science.  See the Medieval warming?  the Roman warming?  The Minoan warming?  Were there any automobiles or factories around then?  So why did the earth's temps warm up after the little ice age?

The Roman civilization arose when the earth was much warmer than it's been recently.  And it's no coincidence that just as the earth was entering the 400-year-long "Little Ice Age," the Roman Empire was overrun by the Huns.  The Egyptians also built the pyramids when it was much warmer than today, and the beginning of the industrial revolution coincided with the end of the Little Ice Age.  If global warming is such a problem, doesn't it seem odd that mankind has always flourished during the earth's warmest periods?




And if increases in atmospheric CO₂ are the primary cause of warming, why, from the 1940's through the mid 1970's, was the earth cooling when increases in our use of fossil fuels were at their greatest?

And why is it that Mars and Jupiter, and Neptune's moon Titan, have all followed the exact same warming and cooling cycles as the earth during the 20^th century?  Does anyone think that our SUVs and power plants are causing the same climate change on other planets and moons in our solar system, or is it more likely that the changes there were caused by the fact that we're all in the same solar system?  I.e., "It's the sun, stupid!"



Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/07/the_global_warming_hoax_how_soon_we_forget.html#ixzz2eYne5Xdv

Dennis324 wrote:

Bryant wrote:

Dennis324 wrote:I know it doesn't fit the global warming fans agenda, but I think that 1st and 2nd picture looks interesting.

I think the Guardian article I linked offers a good explanation for the differences in ice pack.  You can see the same trend in the measured mean annual temperature plots as well.

 Both articles claimed that Arctic sea ice extent grew 60 percent in August 2013 as compared to August 2012.  While this factoid may be technically true (though the 60 percent figure appears to be an exaggeration), it's also largely irrelevant.

So the author of the Guardian article admits the truth that Arctic sea ice grew 60% but to him its irrelevant?  Guess it doesn't fit his agenda. 

Here's the truth.  Global temps had warmed back in the 1800s until the 1970s

The increase in global temperatures since the late 19th century just reflects the end of the Little Ice Age.  The global temperature trends since then have followed not rising CO2 trends but the ocean temperature cycles of the Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO) and the Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation (AMO). Every 20 to 30 years, the much colder water near the bottom of the oceans cycles up to the top, where it has a slight cooling effect on global temperatures until the sun warms that water. That warmed water then contributes to slightly warmer global temperatures, until the next churning cycle.
 
The 20 to 30 year ocean temperature cycles turned back to warm from the late 1970s until the late 1990s, which is the primary reason that global temperatures warmed during this period. But that warming ended 15 years ago, and global temperatures have stopped increasing since then, if not actually cooled, even though global CO2 emissions have soared over this period.
 
As The Economist magazine reported in March, “The world added roughly 100 billion tons of carbon to the atmosphere between 2000 and 2010. That is about a quarter of all the CO2 put there by humanity since 1750.” Yet, still no warming during that time. That is because the CO2 greenhouse effect is weak and marginal compared to natural causes of global temperature changes.  Link

Dennis324 wrote:

A leaked report by a United Nations’ group dedicated to climate studies says that heat from the sun may play a larger role than previously thought.


“[Results] do suggest the possibility of a much larger impact of solar variations on the stratosphere than previously thought, and some studies have suggested that this may lead to significant regional impacts on climate,” reads a draft copy of a major,
upcoming report from the U.N.’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC).


The man who leaked the report, StopGreenSuicide blogger Alec Rawls, told FoxNews.com that the U.N.’s statements on solar activity were his main motivation for leaking the document.

An estimate from NASA said that solar variations caused 25 percent of the 1.1 degree Fahrenheit warming that has been observed over the past century.

I guess this guy's retarded too eh?

Dennis324 wrote:

Solar Activity Affects Earth's Climate In Surprisingly Complex Ways, Scientists Say
 
By: Charles Q. Choi
Published: 01/17/2013 07:56 AM EST on SPACE.com

Even small changes in solar activity can impact Earth's climate in significant and surprisingly complex ways, researchers say.
 
When researchers look at sea surface temperature data during sunspot peak years, the tropical Pacific showed a pattern very much like that expected with La Niña, a cyclical cooling of the Pacific Ocean that regularly affects climate worldwide, with sunspot peak years leading to a cooling of almost 1 degree Celsius (1.8 degrees Fahrenheit) in the equatorial eastern Pacific. In addition, peaks in the sunspot cycle were linked with increased precipitation in a number of areas across the globe, as well as above-normal sea-level pressure in the mid-latitude North and South Pacific.
 
"The Pacific is particularly sensitive to small variations in the trade winds," Meehl said. Solar activity may influence processes linked with trade wind strength.  Link

As I said before, I think its the sun that causes all this climate change.