Sorry state of the union

Does anyone even watch this anymore? Well, anyone with cable? I mean its almost like the red carpet line at the oscars.

I watch it every year. Last night was horrible. His vision is not my vision. At one point he was preaching and that preaching can be summed up in layman's terms as..."those who wish to effectively castrate the second amendment deserve a vote."

In layman's terms we can honestly say that discussion about control of effective means to protect one's self is in and of itself Constitutional and is protected by free speech. The moment one shred of action is taken to limit those rights, one has crossed over into treason and must be treated as such. The only way to do such would be to abolish the amendment the long, drawn out way, as outlined by the Constitution. Of course it would never pass the correct way so progressives(both left and right wing) want to do it the illegal way and call it a day.

Of course they will use the excuse "well such and such did it." That is not a valid excuse. It never has and never will.

I also saw where he used a very thin veil to cover the term "living wage".

For someone who is not supposed to be Socialist......he sure does use a lot of their keyspeak.

He used the example of someone supporting a 4 person family on the wages paid by a minimum wage job as proof that we need to raise minimum wage.

What happened to the days when only high school and college kids had minimum wage jobs???

If you are married and have twp kids.....or hell, if you are over 25 and still have a minimum wage job, there is something wrong with you and not with society.

It is his fault that inflation has outraced wages. In just the last 12 months pretty much everything at the grocery store has doubled in price!!! It is his and his party's economic platform that caused this. When will people understand???

He also talked about the right to vote.......

This may be unpopular, but people....we do not have the right to vote.

Rights are natural and most stem from the ownership of property(our bodies and mind are our own private property...yada, yada, yada). These rights are with us from day one and remain with us always. Nobody can take them, but we can choose not to recognize them.

Basically I exist therefore I have rights.

Voting however cannot be a right for it is dictated by the existence of government. If there were no government....how the hell are you gonna vote???

Marconius wrote:I watch it every year. Last night was horrible. His vision is not my vision. At one point he was preaching and that preaching can be summed up in layman's terms as..."those who wish to effectively castrate the second amendment deserve a vote."

In layman's terms we can honestly say that discussion about control of effective means to protect one's self is in and of itself Constitutional and is protected by free speech. The moment one shred of action is taken to limit those rights, one has crossed over into treason and must be treated as such. The only way to do such would be to abolish the amendment the long, drawn out way, as outlined by the Constitution. Of course it would never pass the correct way so progressives(both left and right wing) want to do it the illegal way and call it a day.

Of course they will use the excuse "well such and such did it." That is not a valid excuse. It never has and never will.

Most of the gun control thats being proposed are the same points you raised in a previous thread.

Marconius wrote:I also saw where he used a very thin veil to cover the term "living wage".

For someone who is not supposed to be Socialist......he sure does use a lot of their keyspeak.

The idea dates back from before FDR. Whats wrong with the idea that one aught to be paid no lower than what it takes to meet the bare necessities of living where the job is?

Did anyone see the '30 Days as..." on living on minimum wage (made by the Super Size Me guy)? Him and his then fiance both actually found full-time jobs slightly above the minimum wage, rented one of the cheapest apartments they could find (I forget what city this was in), only walked/used mass transit, etc, and still could barely afford food, power, and water (they actually went negative because the woman got a bladder infection and didn't have insurance to pay the hospital bill). In most parts of this country one can not survive on $1160 a month (160 hr at $7.25 assuming no taxes are withheld. Realistically subtract SS and medicare tax from the meager above income).

Marconius wrote:He also talked about the right to vote.......

This may be unpopular, but people....we do not have the right to vote.

Rights are natural and most stem from the ownership of property(our bodies and mind are our own private property...yada, yada, yada). These rights are with us from day one and remain with us always. Nobody can take them, but we can choose not to recognize them.

Basically I exist therefore I have rights.

Voting however cannot be a right for it is dictated by the existence of government. If there were no government....how the hell are you gonna vote???

You fail to distinguish between natural rights and legal rights. The two are not necessarily the same. Most US citizens have a legal right to vote.

I missed it but then again I also been missing the awards shows as well. We don't care about TV anymore

Bryant wrote:

Marconius wrote:He also talked about the right to vote.......

This may be unpopular, but people....we do not have the right to vote.

Rights are natural and most stem from the ownership of property(our bodies and mind are our own private property...yada, yada, yada). These rights are with us from day one and remain with us always. Nobody can take them, but we can choose not to recognize them.

Basically I exist therefore I have rights.

Voting however cannot be a right for it is dictated by the existence of government. If there were no government....how the hell are you gonna vote???

You fail to distinguish between natural rights and legal rights. The two are not necessarily the same. Most US citizens have a legal right to vote.

Legal rights do not exist. They are fabricated by the state. That means they are not rights, but are instead powers. That is to say we have been empowered to vote by the state. Rights are all natural and cannot be added to or taken from.

At least that's my story......and I'm stickin to it.

Bryant wrote:

Marconius wrote:I watch it every year. Last night was horrible. His vision is not my vision. At one point he was preaching and that preaching can be summed up in layman's terms as..."those who wish to effectively castrate the second amendment deserve a vote."

In layman's terms we can honestly say that discussion about control of effective means to protect one's self is in and of itself Constitutional and is protected by free speech. The moment one shred of action is taken to limit those rights, one has crossed over into treason and must be treated as such. The only way to do such would be to abolish the amendment the long, drawn out way, as outlined by the Constitution. Of course it would never pass the correct way so progressives(both left and right wing) want to do it the illegal way and call it a day.

Of course they will use the excuse "well such and such did it." That is not a valid excuse. It never has and never will.

Most of the gun control thats being proposed are the same points you raised in a previous thread.

Not all. He was pushing the renewed AWB.

Besides many of the things he is pushing is, IMHO, not Constitutional. Things like a national(or even state) registry of firearms. If we were to debate it, we would have to keep it apples to apples and not bring in oranges like "you have to register your car".(of course I know you never made that statement, but many have).

Bryant wrote:

Marconius wrote:I also saw where he used a very thin veil to cover the term "living wage".

For someone who is not supposed to be Socialist......he sure does use a lot of their keyspeak.

The idea dates back from before FDR. Whats wrong with the idea that one aught to be paid no lower than what it takes to meet the bare necessities of living where the job is?

Did anyone see the '30 Days as..." on living on minimum wage (made by the Super Size Me guy)? Him and his then fiance both actually found full-time jobs slightly above the minimum wage, rented one of the cheapest apartments they could find (I forget what city this was in), only walked/used mass transit, etc, and still could barely afford food, power, and water (they actually went negative because the woman got a bladder infection and didn't have insurance to pay the hospital bill). In most parts of this country one can not survive on $1160 a month (160 hr at $7.25 assuming no taxes are withheld. Realistically subtract SS and medicare tax from the meager above income).

As I've already said......if you are an adult trying to make it on minimum wage.....there is something wrong with you and not society.

Besides unintended consequences dictate that no matter what minimum wage is, you ain't gonna make it. The whole profit/expendature thing prohibits it. Prices for everything must immediately rise to cover cost of production.

I didnt watch it. I dont trust Obama and really dont believe anything he tells us anymore. I spent all night watching fishing shows and getting ready to catch some bass and crappie in my pond.

:joker:

Marconius wrote:

Bryant wrote:

Marconius wrote:I also saw where he used a very thin veil to cover the term "living wage".

For someone who is not supposed to be Socialist......he sure does use a lot of their keyspeak.

The idea dates back from before FDR. Whats wrong with the idea that one aught to be paid no lower than what it takes to meet the bare necessities of living where the job is?

Did anyone see the '30 Days as..." on living on minimum wage (made by the Super Size Me guy)? Him and his then fiance both actually found full-time jobs slightly above the minimum wage, rented one of the cheapest apartments they could find (I forget what city this was in), only walked/used mass transit, etc, and still could barely afford food, power, and water (they actually went negative because the woman got a bladder infection and didn't have insurance to pay the hospital bill). In most parts of this country one can not survive on $1160 a month (160 hr at $7.25 assuming no taxes are withheld. Realistically subtract SS and medicare tax from the meager above income).

As I've already said......if you are an adult trying to make it on minimum wage.....there is something wrong with you and not society.

Besides unintended consequences dictate that no matter what minimum wage is, you ain't gonna make it. The whole profit/expendature thing prohibits it. Prices for everything must immediately rise to cover cost of production.

seriously there has to be a strata of different jobs with different pay for different people in ALL phases of life. The idea that poverty can somehow be wiped out via a minimum wage has pretty definitely been proven false by now. Additionally, raises in the minimun wage have often resulted in less jobs, and less full time jobs, becuz lets face it, most minimum wage positions are part time. Just say everyone did all of a sudden get paid a good percentage more? Well of course every company producing or servicing everything them have higher overhead costs, which results in essentially inflation. Its the laws of economics.

Pun wrote:

Marconius wrote:

Bryant wrote:

Marconius wrote:I also saw where he used a very thin veil to cover the term "living wage".

For someone who is not supposed to be Socialist......he sure does use a lot of their keyspeak.

The idea dates back from before FDR. Whats wrong with the idea that one aught to be paid no lower than what it takes to meet the bare necessities of living where the job is?

Did anyone see the '30 Days as..." on living on minimum wage (made by the Super Size Me guy)? Him and his then fiance both actually found full-time jobs slightly above the minimum wage, rented one of the cheapest apartments they could find (I forget what city this was in), only walked/used mass transit, etc, and still could barely afford food, power, and water (they actually went negative because the woman got a bladder infection and didn't have insurance to pay the hospital bill). In most parts of this country one can not survive on $1160 a month (160 hr at $7.25 assuming no taxes are withheld. Realistically subtract SS and medicare tax from the meager above income).

As I've already said......if you are an adult trying to make it on minimum wage.....there is something wrong with you and not society.

Besides unintended consequences dictate that no matter what minimum wage is, you ain't gonna make it. The whole profit/expendature thing prohibits it. Prices for everything must immediately rise to cover cost of production.

seriously there has to be a strata of different jobs with different pay for different people in ALL phases of life. The idea that poverty can somehow be wiped out via a minimum wage has pretty definitely been proven false by now. Additionally, raises in the minimun wage have often resulted in less jobs, and less full time jobs, becuz lets face it, most minimum wage positions are part time. Just say everyone did all of a sudden get paid a good percentage more? Well of course every company producing or servicing everything them have higher overhead costs, which results in essentially inflation. Its the laws of economics.

Well we have almost 100 years of evidence that government cannot fight poverty in the slightest, but we still see the majority of citizens happy to see that money thrown down the hole.

It is why I continue to say these actions are just "feel good" actions. All they do is make us feel good 'cause, hey we are tryin'. Meanwhile any meaningful new idea is quickly demonized and minimalized so until we collapse under the weight of all this "feeling good", nothing will change.

Dogma of the church of state

I just dont get how a lot of ppl, no one in particular, cant seem to grasp the common sense mathematical realities of economics anymore. Its like the go ernment has been lying and using imaginary fuzzy math so long that some ppl drink the koolaid and get in this franklycommunistic mindset these days of us all somehow being economically equal and prosperous, which has never ever happened, as communism in practice has only ever brought abt equal poverty. And i know they try to distinguish between socialism or state capitalism and communism, but it basically amounts to the same ends. Government CANNOT create wealth because government doesnt produce anything, it ONLY obtains revenues by siphoning money from the productive ("private") sector. Government really can only play a shell game with the funds it brings in, reallocating it here and thereor where ever they damn well please basically, but itsjust movie the dough from place to another. And the not only does itbecome more burdensome for the private sector to follow additional regulations, but it also cost the taxpayer more to oversee and enforce the regulations.

It used to be common knowledge that taxation was equal to governmental power over the populace. Government then created a belief that they are here for the "good" of people so that taxation would be acceptable. Taxation is still power over the people. If slavery is the idea that one does not get reimbursed for the fruits of their labor, then we are all partial slaves thru taxation.

If anyone really believes that government is here for their benefit, they really need to brush up on history. Just a cursory glance at a history book lets us know that the most evil force ever created is government. To ignore documents that restrict government is beyond crazy.

Marconius wrote:It used to be common knowledge that taxation was equal to governmental power over the populace. Government then created a belief that they are here for the "good" of people so that taxation would be acceptable. Taxation is still power over the people. If slavery is the idea that one does not get reimbursed for the fruits of their labor, then we are all partial slaves thru taxation.

If anyone really believes that government is here for their benefit, they really need to brush up on history. Just a cursory glance at a history book lets us know that the most evil force ever created is government. To ignore documents that restrict government is beyond crazy.

Government can be a force for good, evil, or neither. A government should simply be a reflection of the will of the people it represents. If the people wish to give up a level of self determination in favor of a given return, that is their choice.

Sort of bryant, however the natural inclination of government is consolidation of power, and expansion. Every government, left to itself, will grow in scope and power. This is the reason that the founders tried to take extraordinary measures ensure our federal government was an implement of the people and couldnt grow too powerful, yet naturally, with time, as i said, government will allocate itself more and more power over the people its supposed to be representing.

Think of it this way too. Say you have someone thats been working somewhere for a while that makes $9 an hour. Well all of a sudden the minimum wage goes up and all the new hires are starting off at $9 an hour. So what does that mean for the other person? It means theyre goig to want a raise too, and if you give them $10, then qll the people making $10 are gonna want $11. And if we could just magically make people prosperous why propose it at $9? Why not a $90 minimum wage? Then everyone would make a livable wage, right?

Bryant wrote:

Marconius wrote:It used to be common knowledge that taxation was equal to governmental power over the populace. Government then created a belief that they are here for the "good" of people so that taxation would be acceptable. Taxation is still power over the people. If slavery is the idea that one does not get reimbursed for the fruits of their labor, then we are all partial slaves thru taxation.

If anyone really believes that government is here for their benefit, they really need to brush up on history. Just a cursory glance at a history book lets us know that the most evil force ever created is government. To ignore documents that restrict government is beyond crazy.

Government can be a force for good, evil, or neither. A government should simply be a reflection of the will of the people it represents. If the people wish to give up a level of self determination in favor of a given return, that is their choice.

Yep, loss of freedom due to promises of reward. Basically......stuff for votes.

Pun wrote:Sort of bryant, however the natural inclination of government is consolidation of power, and expansion. Every government, left to itself, will grow in scope and power. This is the reason that the founders tried to take extraordinary measures ensure our federal government was an implement of the people and couldnt grow too powerful, yet naturally, with time, as i said, government will allocate itself more and more power over the people its supposed to be representing.

It is the simple principle of "justifying one's job". Even if there are no problems, they will fabricate them in order to achieve a level of justification for why they are there and what they are doing.

That is also why we have all those good quotes like: "never waste a crisis and if there is no crisis.......make one up"